An interactive panel debate featuring 8 of the UK’s leading experts in BIM for manufacturers and data for asset management. The construction supply chain has over 24,000 UK product manufacturers, who are now facing up to the challenge BIM data provision represents. Can we realistically achieve level 2 as business as usual by 2020? What current and future issues may hinder this goal? #TalkBIM
I’m taking part in the #TalkBIM webinar with @TataSteelConstr discussing #BIM adoption barriers. Sign up here: https://t.co/dJs9w8ybuW
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 12, 2017
I’m taking part in the #TalkBIM webinar with @TataSteelConstr discussing #BIM adoption barriers. Sign up here: https://t.co/aupTWB5mX6
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 14, 2017
We'll be #TalkBIM at tomorrow's webinar. Join the debate using #TalkBIM and register here. https://t.co/WKC9vbhjgA pic.twitter.com/qxWbm89HYt
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 18, 2017
I’m taking part in the #TalkBIM webinar with @TataSteelConstr discussing #BIM adoption barriers. Sign up here: https://t.co/zpD6H1bjyO
— Chris Witte (@Chrisjwitte) July 18, 2017
PCSG's Steve Thompson on BIM adoption challenges in #TalkBIM webinar with @TataSteelConstr tomorrow. Register here:https://t.co/ryatm1Bau1 pic.twitter.com/YULj00KJpA
— PCSG (@PCSG_World) July 18, 2017
Read about the #TalkBIM Webinar panelists here: https://t.co/jUfZ2JCV19 pic.twitter.com/99BxPhuZO0
— Architects League (@ArchitectLeague) July 19, 2017
Setting up #TalkBIM webinar – everyone is getting their cameras to work except me!
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Waiting to see if my opions are re-enforced or blown apart! #TalkBIM https://t.co/9X0xYdAZlU
— Jonathan Clemens (@jonatha21777624) July 19, 2017
@f3group_uk short notice but worth a look https://t.co/uzXEhqANNF
— Richard Diamond (@roughcutjrd) July 19, 2017
Q1: What is the main challenge in delivering BIM L2? #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
. @SuButcher Q2: "The whole team has to agree to work collaboratively together." #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
Good break from summer holliday #TalkBIM https://t.co/WIhLXVEoOi
— Øystein Iversen (@oys_iversen) July 19, 2017
The Q1 poll finds that 68% of attendees believe that lack of clear requirements is the main challenge, now over to the panel #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
agree with the poll result – good #EIR #AIR needed
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
Martin Simpson comments on the results of Poll1 #TalkBIM "we're looking for a digital asset, not just physical'-what does the client need?'
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Martin says information requirements are not being reinforced in contracts – people aren't delivering even if they say they can #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Peter Capelhorn of @CPA_Tweets says 'This is a developing marketplace and more problematic than a normal project' #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Capelhorn says the wide range of players involved all have a different response when industry needs to collectively respond #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
The challenge of the industry is to develop a collective response and work together to deliver BIM #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Capelhorn says there a lot of business-critical issues involved in implementing BIM #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
there is a need for a solid #strategy #construction is fragmented pic.twitter.com/2pLbW4kM85
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
How much business will I lose by not doing it? Fear factor tends to be the message- we should do positive benefits argument <<<THIS #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Q2: What is the biggest hurdle for manufacturers in delivering BIM L2? #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
#Manufacturers do not deliver #BIM level 2 but digital data in a certain format
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
#TalkBIM @Chrisjwitte where manufacturers are: 3 buckets – advocates 10-15%, 'Wait and See' 60-65%, remainder unaware or disinterested
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Broadly speaking sales aren't driving the agenda – main reason is L2 mandate for Gvt projects hasn't expanded far says @ChrisjWitte #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
"How do we reach those in the 'wait and see' category?" #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
Q2: Manufacturers don't know what to deliver is the biggest hurdle according to our attendees – what’s your view? #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
From a Manuf perspective @PaulSurin says early adopters have been sold a BIM Data Solution that hasn't delivered its promise #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
and unfortunately this carry on @theNBS @CPA_Tweets survey don't help with confusing questions pic.twitter.com/4fgEe8OL5o
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
#TalkBIM 'Lack of standards didn't help manufacturers' says @PaulSurin
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Manufacturers should look at structuring their data internally and base ROI on internal gains says @PaulSurin #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
#TalkBIM @SGThompsonBIM pleased poll agrees Manufacturers don't know what to deliver – theyre dealing with specifiers who don't know either
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
#manufacturers need to structure and digitize their #data #talkbim pic.twitter.com/NWb6Nv4sGg
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
#TalkBIM @PaulSurin – manufacturers should invest in #BIM based on internal ROI through digitised and structured #data
— CadSwift (@CADSwift) July 19, 2017
Martin Simpson thinks it's not complicated – there is guidance but there aren't the user manuals turned to real problems #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
@_MartinSimpson Q3: “The next generation is digitally literate but the experience is out there in the industry already.” #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
Martin Simpson says digital natives have a contribution but experience is in the 'grey hairs' – we need to help them transform too #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Martin – we're trying to embed digital into the course – we don't just have a 'BIM Module' #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Graduates will be able to slot into the industry but also adapt to it's rapid changing #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Poll 3 results favour 'Lack of Guidance' and 'Too Many Platforms/Options' equally #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Thompson @SGThompsonBIM references PAS1192 Part 7 on how digital information is shared throughout the process #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
. @BIMDaveJ Q3: “There are 2 elements to delivering this; producing the content and hosting the content." #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
manufacturers content should be #digitized with #PIM or #MasterProductManagement and hosted by #manufacturers not by content providers !
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
#BIM…'Its not complicated but we do need more guidance' @SGThompsonBIM #TalkBIM webinar
— Chris Witte (@Chrisjwitte) July 19, 2017
Dave Jellings talking about integrating client requirements into the process of generating content for manufacturers #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
. @Nick_Tune Q3: “There is loads of guidance out there, but the issue is which to trust.” #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
#TalkBIM @nick_tune says he's hoping @UKbimAlliance will form the source of independent trustworthy guidance on BIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
'We are just getting people started in understanding what BIM is' – @nick_tune #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Alex opens up the conversation – do we think Manufacturers are playing catchup? Designers are 14 years experienced in the field #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
“It has been hard for manufacturers to get a profile and get involved in the BIM world.” #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
Chris @Chrisjwitte remembers quite recently being told 'It's too soon for manufacturers to be involved come back in a few years' #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
When they were developing the idea of BIM, Manufacturers weren't thought of as relevant, but this has changed says @Chrisjwitte #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
We’re now taking Q’s from attendees – do you have a view to share with the panel? #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
Alex picks up on questions from the audience #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Where is the agreed structured data format for BIM Objects? #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
There is an ISO Standard – IFC the schema for how data can be structured in a consistent way says Martin Simpson #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Nick Tune says there is no need for a 'BIM Object Standard' rather a Geometry Standard and a Data Standard (EU and UK versions) #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
First mention of #LEXiCON from @Nick_Tune when talking about data standards #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Does #LEXiCON solve these issues Alex asks Peter Capelhorn #TalkBIM – it gets us down the track by providing a framework, he says
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Peter: "Lexicon can provide a framework to bring BIM into a manageable position." #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
Dave Jellings – agrees ability to link data to geometry has advantages, as model overloaded with data becomes unmanageable #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Dave Jellings stresses importance of who controls the data access and not have full open access to all of it. #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
. @BIMDaveJ "We need to consider access control over data." #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
Paul @PaulSurin "Manufacturers must make Product Information available – we need to digitise existing standards that is all' #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
. @SGThompsonBIM"Priority should be about how we define properties, by defining the language that we use." #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
On Standards, the priority is defining the language for properties, so additional info doesn't create duplication. @SGThompsonBIM #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
#manufacturers needs to link their #PIM to the outside world #talkbim pic.twitter.com/PgsuOwAABj
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
Any data on how many manufacturers use a formal / digital PIM system? 2/3s market are micro companies. In our exp these system don't exist
— Darren Lester (@Daz_Lester) July 20, 2017
Fortunately Darren, that's not true. PIM and MDM systems exists and are very affordable for even small manufacturers
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 20, 2017
Sorry, poor wording, I know they exist. I mean not many seem to use them. I've no hard data on this, but on experience I'd guess 8/10 don't
— Darren Lester (@Daz_Lester) July 20, 2017
Well, they do Darren
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 20, 2017
That's great. I'm just saying we don't often see it. Do you know which systems are most popular?
— Darren Lester (@Daz_Lester) July 20, 2017
Does the panel believe that Level 1 has been achieved as Business as Usual? #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Martin says no – you need standardised ways of dealing with information – but most companies have their own conventions #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Most people are capable of working at L1 they just aren't being REQUIRED to work in that way says Martin Simpson #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
What can @BIM4m2 do to help? @ChrisJwitte says encouraging @CPA_Tweets to get #LEXiCON out the door #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
What can @BIM4m2 do to help? @ChrisJwitte says encouraging @CPA_Tweets to get #LEXiCON out the door #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
If you're starting to structure your information the correct way that is the right starting point says @ChrisjWitte of @BIM4M2 #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
If you're starting to structure your information the correct way that is the right starting point says @ChrisjWitte of @BIM4M2 #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
There is nothing stopping manufacturers organising and sharing their data tested against existing standards says @Nick_tune #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
"Manufacturers can get started now by looking at their PIM." #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
#Manufacturers can use @SGThompsonBIM #DataDeffinitionDocument to start structuring #data #talkbim pic.twitter.com/6Y1bs7eDkC
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
What can BIM offer to avoid situations like #GrenfellTower? #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Today we're much more aware how putting your estate on a digital platform can identify issues and help resolution says Caplhorn #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
If we could deliver data to the emergency services, they would want it now says Peter Capelhorn @CPA_Tweets #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Digital information could transform Health and Safety in construction #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
BIM helps us structure information to help people make the right decisions at the right time says Martin Simpson #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
The issue is how we get the right information to the right people so they can make the decisions. What risk is there in changes? #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
(Possibly) an increased likelihood but not a new hazard. https://t.co/a3m2AQkBhp
— Fi Daisy G 🌼 🌱 💙 🐰 (@FiDaisyG) July 19, 2017
"BIM helps us structure information to help people make the right decisions at the right time." @_MartinSimpson #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
BIM together with process flow can help us understand how we make decisions and deal with uncertainty says Simpson #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Should we charge customers more if they want to use traditional methods? That's an interesting question says Martin Simpson #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
The industry isn't yet geared up to work in BIM sufficiently to see huge profitability in working digitally, but it will happen #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
If you need to bring a contractor in early you need to pay them in a different way says Simpson #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Martin: "There should be savings throughout the process, but we need to consider the procurement strategy." #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
#construction industry have to digitize to get the benefits of #BIM #talkbim pic.twitter.com/RyIcxHr1uX
— Paul Surin (@PaulSurin) July 19, 2017
Depressing, yet true. Process largely unchanged since 70s. Saying that we are delivering to client's requirements that are equally outdated.
— Rob Clark (@clarkrob) July 19, 2017
Alex is drawing the session to a close, many thanks to everyone for taking part #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Participants will get information on the poll results, and @BIM4M2 and @TataSteelConstr will be publishing the recording #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Thank you to all our panelists and attendees for talking BIM with us! #TalkBIM
— Construction (@TataSteelConstr) July 19, 2017
It was great to be part of the #TalkBIM webinar with @TataSteelConstr discussing how #construction can better support #BIM adoption!
— Wienerberger UK (@wienerbergeruk) July 19, 2017
Great to hear other people's views earlier today; great panel #talkbim pic.twitter.com/Ph5bOXtwSj
— Antony Brophy (@antony_brophy) July 19, 2017
Oh, there is a caption competition in that photo! Surely! 😂
— Rob Clark (@clarkrob) July 19, 2017
https://twitter.com/liccle_em/status/887804340374827008
Click on the links to see the results of the twitter polls:
Poll 1: What is the main issue in the construction supply chain in delivering BIM Level 2? #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
Poll 2: What do you think is the biggest hurdle facing manufacturers in delivering BIM Level 2? #TalkBIM
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
#TalkBIM Poll 3:What is the main contributory factor to the complexity of BIM? (if other post in comments)
— Su Butcher 💚 (@SuButcher) July 19, 2017
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